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Old 02-09-2009, 08:10 AM
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...BTW: I've dreamed of a "group 5 proxy" for a long time. Am I the only one or is anyone else interested?...
This is what the GT class in the CPR will become in about 5 or 6 years, so yes, I have been interested for some time. I have every car on your list in my collection except for the Teamslot. Fly was showing a Ferrari 512BBLM at Nurnberg this year.

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Old 02-09-2009, 09:37 AM
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The CPR will finally get there, but the first real Grp.5 was in 1976 so that's 7 years to wait, and the lineup won't be complete until 4-5 years after that. Do you have the patience to wait that long Van?

I for sure wouldn't mind a little taste of the whole silhouette circus in the meantime.

What if we did a "quicky" in the autumn this year? Short series of 3-5 tracks and limit the field to 15-20 cars. Then spread the workload between a couple guys. With the software I made for the SCX proxy the entry forms and car registration database can be made ready in a couple hours.

I'm not trying to jump start this, yet. But if there is any interest I am just saying that a small "one-off" series should be possible to handle pretty swift and smoothly.

In my opinion these cars deserve something way more drastically than a one-make "RTR" approach. These cars where on the top of the GT evolution with custom frames, light weight bodies, super wide tires and overpowered motors. Hence my suggestion for a maximum weight per gram limit to make sure there is enough power to make them a handful. With the powerful high magnetic downforce motors we could even replicate a the extra downforce and speed.

The 935 "Moby Dick" had 750 HP, accelerated from 0-60 mph in 2.6 seconds and had a top speed of 227 mph!!!

I simply want to build a monster of a slotcar. How many feel the same way?
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:17 AM
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"Carrera is showing a 70's Capri "Tuner" coming soon - not totally Group 5..."
Is Gp5. Capri without wing is. Is fenders that make Gp5. Also Porsche 934 with wing like 935. Is wing that makes it not GT or Gp4. Aston Martin V8 as from ProtoSlot/Ocar is Gp5. Favorite MGB V8 for Gp5 car was waste but was Gp5. Have many models for this. Lotus Elan is resin yes? I see somewhere. With Greenwood Corvette are also some Chevrolet Camaros with same look that run as Gp5 even some have almost original body for IMSA GTX. Scalextric have Ferrari 308 for making to Gp5 Ferrari 308 GTB Turbo.
Gp5 2000 have many not just Lancia Beta. NSU 1200. Simca 1100. Fiat X19 is in resin yes? Alpine A110. Even VW Golf as Spirit.
Also is needed decide IMSA cars are allowed? Before GTX was GTO and many GTO cars were Gp4 but not all. Some would be Gp5.
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:50 AM
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The CPR will finally get there, but the first real Grp.5 was in 1976 so that's 7 years to wait, and the lineup won't be complete until 4-5 years after that. Do you have the patience to wait that long Van?...
Yes I do. To digress: this was one of the reasons for choosing the 1968 starting year of the first CPR. I knew that eventually the Group 5 cars (my personal favourites along with group 6, and group 4) would come into play if the series continued. I could have started out the series in 1978 for example but thought it would be fun for everyone to experience first hand (albeit in 1/32 scale) the changes in racing that occurred from the 60s onward. The research that I did on Carrera's Opel silhouette car shows 1974 as the year it raced. The rest come into play quickly after that.

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Old 02-09-2009, 11:13 AM
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You are a patient man Van

PRO...CON: There where a lot more than wings to separate Grp 5 from Grp 4, these where different classes that ran together, much like GT1 and GT2 do today. Also FIA Group 5 evolved through different classes throughout the years, so some of the cars you mention are actually "group 5 national" that where early touring cars (ETCC). you can find some info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_5_(racing)

The silhouette cars started to evolve in 73/74 with group 4 cars like the Porsche RSR, but the true silhouette group 5 cars are from the FIA "Special Production Car" series that started in 1976.

Anyway I'm gonna go play with my silhouette cars now, and who knows, maybe a small proxy might be realized one day
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Old 02-09-2009, 11:29 AM
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356speedster - Perhaps a 2 class proxy series - one just for modified stock Carrera's and perhaps the second like the RAA's LMP class with it pretty much being open rules and allowing all the other makes like you mentioned.

Carrera rules would allow for changing the entire rear assembly (appropriate wheels w/inserts, axles, bushings, and gears), allow changing the motor location (to angle-sidewinder), chassis must be basically stock and one-piece (no added motor pods), but can be trimmed around the sides, guide can be changed (if possible) or modified, lightweight tray interior, and use a spec tire (YellowDogs)...I would keep the stock motor (geared better that motor has good speed and braking).

Anywhat, just a thought...


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Old 02-09-2009, 11:30 AM
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Either that, or you'll have a killer setup for CPR 2015. I'm still fiddling with the cars in my collection from the 50's and 60's so I still have a way to go until I reach the Porsche 935s and the Monza. I think I'll do a tire swap sooner rather than later on my Monza though.

One can really see how the group 4 and 5 machines from the 70s influenced contemporary GT design. The first big race I went to as a kid was Sebring '76 so the nostalgia of this era is a big part of the appeal to me. The race poster had a Brumos BMW CSL on it.

Fly, or Monogram, or Carrera for that matter need to make a real group 5 M1:



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Old 02-09-2009, 11:40 AM
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"There where a lot more than wings to separate Grp 5 from Grp 4....."

Is what I say yes? Carrera Escort is Gp5 even though no wing. Is the fenders. Porsche 934 is Gp4 but with wing is Gp5 never GT or Gp4. Greenwood Corvette is no Gp5 is GTX. Dekon Monza is not Gp5 is GTX.
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Old 02-09-2009, 11:55 AM
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It can be tough to pin down which classification a car is in sometimes. There were so many changes to the rules, and different series like Camel GT vs. Trans Am had different ideas about what a Group 5 car was. GTX was a precursor to GTP. Silhouette racer would be another way to describe flared out cars like the Monza and 935 I suppose.

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Old 02-10-2009, 08:44 AM
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That #24 is pretty. That's for sharing yours. There is obviously a lot of interest in this style/class of car.
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Maybe by the time they're eligible for CAPR or CPR, this will have been made by somebody!

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