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Old 12-01-2007, 08:58 AM
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Welcome Old23. You are the next contestant on "Meet the Members".

1) Door number 1, door number 2, or door number 3?

2) Ok seriously. You told me you were relatively new. To Slot cars or to SCI?

3) What is your favorite era of racing that you have to buy slot cars from during this time? Why?

4) You helped me tremendously in finding pics of the Canadian Rothmans 962 from Le Mans 1987. Have you been involved in 1/1 racing?

5) Whether or not you were involved in 1/1 racing or just a spectator, what is your fondest memory of 1/1 racing?

6) You are given a budget of $1000 dollars to spend on slot cars. What are you going to buy? And get very specific!!!!

7) You have to sell 3 of your cars. Which ones do you pick? And why?

8) Wood or plastic? Mag or non-mag? Flames, Habs or Maple leafs? LaBatts or Bud or Miller?

9) And finally, what brought you to SCI?

Welcome Old23. I owe this gentleman a thank you along with Mick Brown for helping me make the 962 Canadian Rothmans car. Old 23 says he's new, but I'm not so sure he doesn't have a lot of experience with slot cars. Our conversations by PM have been great and it is a great honor to have another slot friend "North" of the border. Thank you Old 23. The floor is yours........

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Old 12-01-2007, 09:43 PM
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Welcome Old23. You are the next contestant on "Meet the Members".


1) Door number 1, door number 2, or door number 3?

Hmmm. Since I’m happily married this can’t be The Dating Game, so I have to presume they are garage doors, right? And fantasy garage doors at that, ‘cause I don’t own any of these cars and probably never will.

Behind door #1 is a 1965 Aston Martin DB5 – just call me Bond, James Bond. Always loved the look of them. Always wanted one.

Behind door #2 is a 1973 Porsche Carrera RS 2.7 Sport. The ultimate early 911 for the road, especially if your road is the Nurburgring.

Behind door #3 is a 1967 Lamborghini P400 Muira. Mid-engined transverse V12. Body by Bertone. Sex on wheels.

So the choice is the refined English brunette, the blonde hard-bodied German, or the raven-haired Italian bombshell. Since this is a fantasy, can’t I have all three?

2) Ok seriously. You told me you were relatively new. To Slot cars or to SCI?

Actually, I’m not so new to either.

I lurked on SCI for over a year before I finally registered 14 months ago. I found it was (and is) an amazing resource, a deep well of information and inspiration. For a long time I was happy to read the latest news and gossip and to delve into the old threads, but eventually I wanted to participate, so I registered. Even so, I see I have made less than 60 posts in over a year. I’m in awe of those members who have made thousands.

Like many here, I originally got into slot cars in the 60’s. My brother and I got a Scalextric Formula Junior set for Christmas 1964. Around the same time two friends got race sets as well, Eldon and Strombecker I think they were. Soon we’d organized a championship series of races on the three tracks. We soon moved on from the Scalex Juniors – they were poor performers and didn’t last long before the gears stripped or the motors burnt out. I remember my brother also had a couple of Airfix cars, an XKE and a Sunbeam Rapier. He was always more of an Anglophile than me. Here’s a couple of (pretty crude) photos from that time.




Sometime in 1965, Monogram and Revell cars hit town (that would be Ottawa, Canada, where I grew up). They weren’t cheap for a 13-year old with only an allowance to spend, but I remember I had the Mono Ferrari 275P, Porsche 904, Cooper Ford, Ferrari 250 GTO/LM, Ford GT40, Lotus 33 F1, Ferrari 158 F1 and the Revell Ferrari 250 GTO at various times. You might recognize a few of them in these photos. I really needed a close-up lens on that camera!




Some of them must have been replacement body kits as I never had that many chassis and the cars got beat up pretty fast, especially when the big commercial tracks opened up. By 1966, there were at least three commercial slot racing facilities in town, where a quarter bought 15 minutes of high speed carnage. It was a rare visit to these tracks that didn’t result in cracked or broken styrene bodies. When I think of a fragile little Monogram F1 car on a high-banked King track, I wince. Anyway, I don’t think any of these centers lasted much more than a year before the craze died and they closed down.

By then, we had moved on from our plastic tracks. A new friend had a 4 lane routed wood track in his basement. His dad was in an adult slot racing club that met there, and we teenagers had our own “junior” club. There must have been about six of us. We organized race series for Formula Ones, Sports Cars, even Enduros with night racing. The cars were fitted with little “grain of wheat” bulbs. By this time we were also modifying our old stock chassis with crudely soldered brass plates to improve the handling. Clear plastic bodies (Lancer, GT Models) replaced the broken hard styrene bodies. Here’s the only photo I have from that era. My Indy Turbine car was mounted on a scratchbuilt brass chassis. The Lotus 49 replaced my broken Lotus 33 body.



Around the same time, a few of us joined an HO club. It was big family-run affair with everyone from kids to grandmothers meeting every Sunday evening at one of two huge multi-lane routed wood tracks. One was a scale reproduction of Mosport Park with all the hills and dales exaggerated for effect. Both tracks had full scenery like a good model railroad setup. They were simply amazing. And the racing was hot, with the 20 or so club members organized into teams with matching team liveries on the cars. There was a fall and a spring season with individual and team championships to be won. Here is the only picture I’ve found of the HO club. You can see it was quite a track. Wish I had a photo of Mini Mosport too.



For some reason I’ve been unable to remember, it all ended in 1969. I still have the trophies I won at Mini Mosport for the spring season that year. We never got together again that fall. The 1/32nd club folded around the same time, or at least we moved on to other things. It occurs to me now that we all got our drivers licenses around that time, so perhaps the big cars killed the interest in the little ones. I finished High School the next year and went on to university. The slot car/fishing tackle box was packed away in the basement and forgotten… for 35 years…only to be unearthed when the slot bug struck again in 2004.

3) What is your favorite era of racing that you have to buy slot cars from during this time? Why?

I guess I’d have to admit that my favourite era of racing remains the 60’s to the mid-70’s. I first became aware of motor racing in 1964 when a friend went to Mosport. The next year our family went too for the Grand Prix and watched as Jim Hall and Bruce McLaren duked it out in a thrilling race. I returned again and again as the fall Grand Prix became a Formula One race and the CanAm series also took hold. Here are a few photos I snapped at Mosport in 1965 and 1966.







Don't you miss the access that a kid could have to his heroes back then?

Given all the above, it shouldn’t be any surprise that I have a particular interest in slot cars both from the 60’s and modern cars representing 60’s racers. Some of my first purchases when I got back into the hobby a few years back were to replace those vintage Monogram and Revell cars I had (or wished I had) in my youth. Perversely, I also bought duplicates of those first two Scalextric FJ’s. While I (too often) succumb to the allure of slot car models of contemporary race cars competing in the series I follow in the 1:1 world, my heart is really back in the era before aerodynamic-driven uniformity and overwhelming sponsor-driven commercialism – when race cars wore their national or team colours and unique body shapes with pride.

It's getting late, so I'll tackle the rest of the questions tomorrow.

Thanks for your patience.

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Old 12-02-2007, 06:19 AM
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Don't you miss the access that a kid could have to his heroes back then?
I do/did have that access. When I was 11 years old I got to meet Brian Redman and sit in his Chevron B19. Now granted, the year was 1993 and it was vintage racing, but there is a reason that vintage racing is so popular, it is nearly as accessible as the racing they wish to emulate. You can't sit as close to the track as you could back when the cars were raced in anger the first time, but off the track the cars and people are just as available.

Thanks for stories and pictures.

Which were your favourite 1:1 and slot cars as a kid?
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Old 12-02-2007, 06:24 AM
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Great stories and photos! Thanks for sharing.
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Old 12-02-2007, 06:42 AM
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Those old B&W photos take me back. Is that an Airfix Porsche F1 climbing onto the grass?

Thank you!
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Old 12-02-2007, 07:16 AM
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Which were your favourite 1:1 and slot cars as a kid?
Formula One and CanAm.

I only got to see my hero Jim Clark once, at the Canadian GP in 1967. But I had Monogram's little jewel of Clark's Lotus 33. And when I finally wrecked that body, I was able to replace it with a Lotus 49 in clear plastic.

CanAm cars (mainly McLarens) were replicated with Clear plastic bodies from GT Models in England. I had a Mk 1B, Mk 6, and a Mk 8 at various times. Still have a couple of them.

Thanks for your interest.

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Old 12-02-2007, 07:21 AM
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Those old B&W photos take me back. Is that an Airfix Porsche F1 climbing onto the grass?
It's actually a Scalextric Porsche F1, the one with the FJ motor and just as bad a runner. The original yellow plastic was painted silver in the photo. I still have it, slathered in bright orange paint. Guess I was going for a Racing For Holland look...

Thanks for your interest.

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Old 12-02-2007, 07:48 AM
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Welcome Old23. You are the next contestant on "Meet the Members".

4) You helped me tremendously in finding pics of the Canadian Rothmans 962 from Le Mans 1987. Have you been involved in 1/1 racing?

I love that all-Canadian 962 and I just had to model it, not least because I’ve been on a race track with all three of its drivers. Scott Goodyear, Richard Spenard and Bill Adam earned that ride by finishing 1-2-3 in a Porsche Rothmans Cup race series in Canada. A year later, I was pedaling my 911 “historic” race car as fast as I could at Mosport just to keep out of their way as they lapped me. But I’m getting ahead of myself.

Since I was 12-years old, I dreamed of being a race driver like my heroes Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart. Reality took hold and I never traveled that road (or track?). In 1984, I joined the Porsche Club of America. I was looking to sell the aging 1966 911 I had purchased 5 years previously and I figured I could find a buyer for it amongst the club members. Instead, I found a new group of friends and the thrill of slalom competition and Driver’s Ed track days at Mont Tremblant, Mosport, Shannonville and Watkins Glen. It was too late to think about a career as a race driver, but I was finally making some decent money in my work, so I decided I could go beyond the non-competitive track days and dip my toes into “real” racing. I rebuilt the 911 for the track and ran a season of Historic racing. During those Regional events at Mosport, while getting some extra track time in the Special GT (Open) race, I experienced the daunting speed of Messrs. Goodyear, Spenard and Adam (not to mention Ludwig Heimrath, Ron Fellows and Scott Maxwell) as they sorted out their race cars for their own events. Thank God I had installed that wide angle rear view mirror in the car, because they seemed to come at me from all sides.

Here’s a picture of my 911. You’ll note the race number and understand the origins of my SCI “handle”.



The next couple of years I lured a good buddy back into racing to partner me in a Honda CRX Si in the Firestone Firehawk Endurance Series. I was now racing in a “Pro” series, which only meant that it cost me even more money to race than as an amateur. Two years was all I could afford, and as long as I could stand the complaints of my worried wife. I “retired” in 1991, never having won the World Championship. Oh well, it was fun and I have a couple of pictures to show for it.





5) Whether or not you were involved in 1/1 racing or just a spectator, what is your fondest memory of 1/1 racing?

My fondest memory of my racing “career” was finally winning one in my final race, a regional event at Mosport, with a wheel-banging, banzai pass down the inside of corner 2. I got a nice plaque and a busted wheel thrown at me by the loser when I got back to the paddock!

My second fondest memory is from that first race I attended in 1965. There was a draw with a coupon in the program. I won the grand prize: a not-so-all-expenses-paid trip to that fall’s Nassau Speed Weeks in the Bahamas. For a few days I actually dreamed I was going. I’d get to hang out and party with all the drivers and other international jet-setters. Then my dad told me that the prize was for one person only, that it didn’t cover all the costs, and that I, a 13-year old, was not going on my own anyway. We got a few hundred bucks instead which went into my college fund. I’ve never won another draw, lottery, jackpot since then. And the Speed Weeks only ran one more year before fading into history. Maybe I jinxed us both by not going.

6) You are given a budget of $1000 dollars to spend on slot cars. What are you going to buy? And get very specific!!!!

Wow! A thousand bucks for slot cars…Wait a minute. I’ve managed to collect, accumulate, or magnetically attract (!?) well over 200 cars in the last three and a half years. You know what the average car costs and you can surely do the math. A thousand dollars pales alongside that total. I’ve slowed down my buying a lot in the last year. In fact, I’m trying to thin my collection some (see Question #7 below). And how many cars does one actually have the time to drive and enjoy anyway? $1000 could buy 20 or so new Ninco, Scalextric, Slot.it or Fly cars. Or 5 Racers or other very limited edition resin cars. There aren’t 20 cars right now that I desperately want from the first group. So if you twisted my arm and forced me to spend the dough now, instead of over the next year or two, I’d have to opt for the expensive, limited edition cars if I could find them: a Maxi-Models McLaren Mk6B, an Ostorero Lotus 38 1965 Indy Winner, a Racer Porsche 935 K3 or Ferrari 275P, a Slot Classic Ferrari TR 59/60. Do I have anything left?

Or maybe I should use the money to build a first class, 4-lane wood track that a club could coalesce around. That’s the thing my casual slot buddies and me need at this point, I think. We get together irregularly for casual lapping and BS, but there’s no racing going on. Probably ‘cause none of us have a real “race” track.

7) You have to sell 3 of your cars. Which ones do you pick? And why?

I haven’t bought many cars to keep as shelf queens, but I have a number of mint-unused cars that are surplus to my needs right now. The Fly McLaren/Amon GT40 with separate little “Brucie” figure (I have and race the Scalex version of the car), the Fly Lola T70 “Checkered Flag Edition”, and a few Ninco Champ Cars that were going to be re-liveried, but I never got around to it. I like them all, but I have other, similar cars which I do race and enjoy, so since you demand it, out they go!

8) Wood or plastic? Mag or non-mag? Flames, Habs or Maple leafs? LaBatts or Bud or Miller?

I do a lot more driving on plastic (Sport, Ninco and SCX) than wood. But that’s more from lack of opportunity than choice. I ditched the mags in all but a few cars a long time ago. I’m not a hockey, football, baseball, soccer, basketball, or rhythmic gymnastics fan. Nor am I much of a beer drinker, though I’d have to go with Labatts since they sponsored a lot of racing in Canada back in “the day”.

9) And finally, what brought you to SCI?

Loneliness? Someone told me it was a good place to meet women. I think he lied to me…

And thank you Lawrence (aka rolltidevet) for turning the Kleig lights on me. Can I go back to my toy cars now?

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Old 12-02-2007, 09:50 AM
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Thanks for sharing the great stories and pics, Old23.
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Old 12-02-2007, 11:04 AM
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Thanks. And I very much enjoyed your GTP stories a while back.

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Old 12-02-2007, 05:49 PM
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Hey Stewart, (old 23) I did not know I have been in the present of a real race car driver. I do envy you, I too had the same ambitions as a youngster, but the closest I ever got to 1:1 racing was a couple of years of club rallying, and only one time on a closed stage. Anyways good memories. Yes we have to look into finding somewhere to set up a permanent wood track this winter. I am sure the guys would enjoy it also. I wounder if the moderators could set something up so that the names of those that have been interviewed would show up at the top of a thread. This is a great thread but sometimes it drops off the page and we forget about it.

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Old 12-02-2007, 06:23 PM
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Do you still have that awesome Indy poster???

Thanks for sharing both the history and the photos.

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Old 12-02-2007, 06:24 PM
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Old23, thanks for sharing the pictures and memories. I have some of the same slot cars from that era and really enjoyed seeing them again.
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Old 12-03-2007, 05:02 AM
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Do you still have that awesome Indy poster???

jg
Sadly, no. It disappeared a long time ago into the same Black Hole as all my comic books and sports cards.

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Old 12-04-2007, 08:09 AM
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Thanks Stewart! Boy, those old b/w pics were a real treat for ALL of us. Man did those bring back memories. ANd a Firestone Firehawk Driver too boot! Did you know Jim Roberts? He and another driver used to drive FF back in the early 90's.

Those are great stories. You know what? People can take everything away from you as far as material things go but they can't take those memories. Thanks for sharing those amazing stories.

I tried to throw in a coupla joke questions as well as serious and you did great! And you said you had trepidations.......hmmmmm. Me thinks you sold yourself well short. You may not have that many posts on SCI but you may be one of the most active slot racers of all of us.

Thank you once again Stewart. If anyone else has questions, please feel free to continue to ask them. Sounds to me like Stewart has even more stories.

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