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Old 11-05-2011, 08:37 AM
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The Grand Prix de Montana is an invitational three race proxy event celebrating the 1½ liter Formula one cars that contested the World Championship from 1961 to 1965. This year's entrants were invited based on their record of scratch building superior cars from this era.

The rules for the event were drafted to promote the building of cars that are attractive and fast. Our goal was to encourage entries that were accurate to scale and represented the cars as they raced in each of the years of the 1½ liter formula.

Concours judging was included in the event. Points earned in Concours counted for 25% of the overall score.

The series began at Jim Hansen's track in Montana, moved to Georgia this month to race at Jay Hardy's Grand Loop, and will conclude with a race in California at Dennis Samson's Pebblestone circuit in December.

Jim Hansen's Brabham BT7 won the first race while Chris Wright's BRP Mk 2 placed first in the Concours. The current leaders are:

1. Dennis Samson #14 Ferrari 1512 76 points
2. Jim Hansen # 6 Brabham BT7 74 points
3. Jay Hardy #11 Honda RA272 72 points

A gallery of the dozen cars entered in this year's invitational follows.

Cheers, Mark



David Lawson's 1965 BRM P261 FF 050 motor





Chris Wright's 1964 BRP Mk 2 Mashima Motor





Jim Hansen's 1964 Brabham BT7 FF 050 motor





Mark Huber's 1964 BRM P261 Solarbotics FF 030





Jay Hardy's 1965 Honda RA272 Vanski FF 050 motor





Tony Condon's 1963 Lotus 24 BRM Scale Auto FF 050 motor





Dennis Samson's 1965 Ferrari 1512 FF 030 motor





Phil Kalbfell's 1962 Brabham BT3 Solarbotics FF 030 motor





Dave Jones' 1962 BRM P578 FF 050 motor





David Bantoft's 1964 BRP Mk 2 Solarbotics FF 030 motor





Alan Schwartz's 1962 Porsche 804 FF 050 motor





Charles Lawrence's 1964 Derrington-Francis Radioshack small can motor


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Old 11-05-2011, 09:19 AM
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Nice cars, great to see scale model race cars. Which motors did you use?
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Old 11-05-2011, 10:17 AM
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Hi Robert,

Motor choice was open, any unopened commercially available can motor. So we got everything from high revving scalex 050's to 030's to Radio shack's to Mashima's, all are reasonably competitive, time will tell what comes out on top.

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Old 11-05-2011, 10:51 AM
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Default Absolutely stunning.

These cars are works of art, beautiful in every way.

A great time in racing, only clouded by the disposable attitude toward the drivers of the time. Amazing work, hat's off to all of you.

If you need another track to stretch their legs on I would love to see these up close.

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Anyone have more photo's especially the detail like front suspension WOW!!!!!
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Here are some of the cars with suspension detailing.




























And a few other shots:






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In order of finish.

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Default Thank you Mark.

Any chance some of these images can be put in an SCI Album, my worry is one day the Photobucket account will be modified and these works of art will become RED X instead of stunning images of amazing craftsmanship.

Also if possible leave a space between each image or the software in the Forum has fits causing some to have to scroll to see images.

Thank you for posting these.
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Old 11-11-2011, 09:08 AM
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Default Rules and Regs for the 2011 events

GRAND PRIX CARS

Any car that competed in an International Grand Prix Championship race from 1961-1965 (otherwise known as the 1.5L or “Half Tonner” Era.)

1. SCALE, DIMENSIONS & GENERAL APPEARANCE

All cars are to be accurate 1/32 scale representations of the full size car.

As most racers rely on manufactured bodies, which are not always perfect, there is no specific requirement for exact scale length and width for body shells. Cars are expected to be reasonable to scale.

Wheelbase and Track measurements must be 1/32 scale within + or – 2mm. “Wheelbase” is the distance between the center lines of the front and rear wheels. “Track” is the distance between the center lines of the left and right hand wheels at the front and at the rear of the car.

No car should exceed the maximum width of 52mm. Cars will be measured over the outside width of the tires.

It is the entrant’s responsibility to prove the accuracy of any car. The entrant will provide a photograph of the actual car upon which the entry car is modeled. If there is any doubt the scrutineer may disqualify the car or assign a handicap. The scrutineer’s decision is final.

The general appearance of the cars will be taken into account at the Concours judging. Should an entrant present a car that looks out of ‘character’, there will be an adjustment in the Concours ranking as determined by the judge.

2. BODIES

All body shells must be of hard plastic, glass fiber, resin, wood, metal or similar material. Vacuum formed bodies are not permitted.

All cars must carry at least two racing numbers which are period correct.

The entrants name must be clearly marked on the bottom of the chassis .

All cars must have clear windscreens fitted where they appeared on the prototype. Vacuum formed windscreens are permitted.

All cars must carry detailing including but not limited to mirrors, roll bar, suspension (which includes shock absorbers when visible and A arms or rocker arms as appropriate) and external engine components and differential consistent with the car being represented. Cars that do not comply will be returned to the entrant.

All cars must have a suitably decorated and period correct, three dimensional, representation of a driver consisting of at least a head, shoulders, arms, hands and the upper part of a steering wheel. Vacuum formed interiors and drivers are not permitted.

The chassis, motor and all running gear should not be visible from above or through the cockpit opening and engine bay unless that which can be seen represents parts of the real car, e.g. suspension components and exhaust systems.

The slot guide must not protrude beyond the front-most point of the car when in the straight ahead position.



3. WHEELS & TIRES

All wheels must be representative of real wheels or have suitable inserts fitted.

Tires are limited to rubber or urethane compounds. Silicone tires and sponge/foam rubber tires are not permitted. A list of compliant and recommended tires is attached.

All tires must be dry and free from additives whenever the car is placed on the track.

• Front wheels and tires: Minimum diameter 19.5mm, minimum width 6mm (Overall width)
Rear wheels and tires: Minimum diameter 21mm, maximum width 9mm (Overall width)

4. MOTORS & CHASSIS

Motor choice is free and may be any unopened off the shelf motor. Motor orientation is inline only.

Races will be run at 12v.

Chassis design and construction is free but must comply with sections 1-4, however plastic chassis, whether purchased or scratch built, are not permitted.

Any chassis design which allows the wheelbase or effective track dimension to vary will be measured at both extremes of movement and must remain within the + or - 2mm scale tolerance and not exceed the maximum width restriction.

Wheelbase , track and overall width will be measured with the steering in the straight ahead position for any cars fitted with steering.

Minimum ground clearance of 3/32” will apply under the motor and the entire length of the chassis and body. Drive gears may be below the minimum ground clearance but must, at all times, remain clear of the track surface.

One slot guide only is permitted. Blade designs must be no more than 25mm long.

Traction magnets are not permitted.

READY-TO-RUN (RTR) CARS ARE NOT PERMITTED.

The final decision on eligibility will rest with the event organizers.


Tires Addendum

Rear diameter minimum........ 21mm
Rear width maximum …….......9mm

Front diameter minimum..... 19.5mm
Front width minimum............. 5mm

All sizes are at the widest part of the tire, not just at the tread. The sizes allow for wear and are not the actual size when new. For that reason, these sizes should be correct for the last race as well as the first.
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Default Photos from Grand Loop Raceway

All courtesy of Jay Hardy at his 4 lane Ninco track.



























Race 2 is scheduled for next week. Thanks Jay!

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And what's a 60's era race without some 60's era home video footage.


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Phil Kalbfell's Brabham BT3



Dave Jones' BRM P78



David Lawson's BRM P261



Charles Lawrence's Derrington-Francis



Jim Hansen's Brabham BT7



Mark Huber's BRM P261



Jay Hardy's Honda RA272



Dennis Samson's Ferrari 1512



Tony Condon's Lotus 24 BRM



Alan Schwartz's Porsche 804



Chris Wright's BRP Mk 2



David Bantoft's BRP Mk 2
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Default Round Two Completed

Jay did his usual superb job hosting our second race.

Here are the results:

2 / Jay Hardy / 91 / 1.2 / 92.2 / +1
1 / Phil Kalbfell / 91 / 1 / 92 / -1
4 / Jim Hansen / 86 / 2 / 88 / +1
10 / David Lawson / 85 / 2.6 / 87.6 / +6
3 / Tony Condon / 85 / 1.2 / 86.2 / -2
6 / Dave Bantoft / 83 / 2.3 / 85.3 / 0
8 / Dennis Samson / 80 / 2.2 / 82.2 / +1
12 / Charles Lawrence / 80 / 1.7 / 81.7 / +4
9 / Mark Huber / 78 / 2.9 / 80.9 / 0
11 / Dave Jones / 79 / 1.5 / 80.5 / +1
7 / Chris Wright / 78 / 1.5 / 79.5 / -4
5 / Alan Schwartz 70 / 2.2 / 72.2 / -7

And a picture of the Podium finishers:



The cars are on their way to Southern California where they will race at Dennis' famed Pebblestone Model Car Circuit.
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Great field of cars.
I'm curious about the Mashima can motor. Which model is this; is it available through model railroad channels? It it fast enough or light enough to compete with the FF-050's?
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I'm curious about the Mashima can motor. Which model is this; is it available through model railroad channels? It it fast enough or light enough to compete with the FF-050's?
The speed seems to be on par with all but the two high rpm motors in this field, the problem is the motor seems to have virtually no brakes at all.

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Default Round 3 Race report - Pebblestone Model Car Circuit

Race 3 of the 2011 GP de montana is in the books, and it was quite a day of racing. The cars got a real workout in terms of track time today, as we had a large number of people all wanting a chance to dirve these little gems.

I prepared all the cars, with a piece of white card attached to the motors to ensure that the lap counter triggered, and each car also had a folded card that was sued to designate where it stopped on the track in order to resolve ties if there were any.



Around noon, the drivers rolled in, and set up shop in my garage:



We ran open practice with other cars for an hour or so, to get the track rubbered in and the drivers up to speed. I loaned out my old 2008 VRAA NART Ferrari as a practice car so people could get used to the speed and handling, as there was to be no driving of the Proxy cars before the actual races started. After an excellent lunch provided by my wife, we set about the racing. There were enough drivers to run three complete rounds of 2-minute heats on each lane, so each car ended up with 18 minutes of work today.

Round 1:



Drivers, Left to right: Jim Gonsalves, John Cukras, Oscar Morales

I tried to set up the heats so that the last heat of each round would feature the top three cars. This meant that the first two heats also featured some of the top cars, so the first heat of the day looked like this:



Round 1 Results were:
Car # Car Owner Red Blue Yellow Laps Sections Totals
14 Ferrari Dennis Samson 15 16 16 47 50 47.50
11 Honda Jay Hardy 15 16 16 47 40 47.40
6 Brabham Jim Hansen 16 15 15 46 0 46.00
12 Lotus Tony Condon 14 14 15 43 80 43.80
16 Brabham Phil Kalbfell 15 14 14 43 80 43.80
18 Lotus Dave Bantoft 14 14 14 42 15 42.15
4 BRM David Lawson 14 14 13 41 70 41.70
4 Lotus Chris Wright 13 14 14 41 60 41.60
30 Porsche Al Schwartz 12 15 14 41 10 41.10
8 BRM Mark Huber 13 13 13 39 5 39.05
17 BRM Dave Jones 12 14 12 38 40 38.40
50 D/Francis Charles Lawrence 12 13 12 37 75 37.75


Lap times for each car:



And the podium for the first round:



After a short break in which I made some repairs to Mark's BRM (the body was coming loose from the frame) we headed into Round 2

The drivers:



Left to right, Craig Correia, Phil Nyland, Tim Neja.

This turned out to be the fastest round of the day, probably due to the highest temperatures and therefore the best grip.

Results:

Car # Car Owner Red Blue Yellow Laps Sections Totals
14 Ferrari Dennis Samson 16 16 17 49 80 49.80
11 Honda Jay Hardy 17 16 16 49 45 49.45
6 Brabham Jim Hansen 16 16 16 48 85 48.85
12 Lotus Tony Condon 15 15 16 46 20 46.20
16 Brabham Phil Kalbfell 15 15 15 45 80 45.80
30 Porsche Al Schwartz 14 15 15 44 30 44.30
18 Lotus Dave Bantoft 14 15 15 44 5 44.05
4 Lotus Chris Wright 15 15 14 44 5 44.05
17 BRM Dave Jones 15 14 14 43 10 43.10
4 BRM David Lawson 14 14 14 42 90 42.90
50 D/Francis Charles Lawrence 14 13 14 41 20 41.20
8 BRM Mark Huber 13 13 14 40 20 40.20

Round 2 Podium:



and some times:



Another short break and we went into round 3. By this time a few of the drivers we thought would be there had not arrived, so JOhn Cukras drove again, and I filled in one spot along with Barney Poynor, as the last group of three.

Since I was driving, I did not get to take photos, sorry!

Round 3 results:

Car # Car Owner Red Blue Yellow Laps Sections Totals
14 Ferrari Dennis Samson 17 16 16 49 40 49.40
11 Honda Jay Hardy 17 17 15 49 5 49.05
6 Brabham Jim Hansen 16 16 16 48 10 48.10
12 Lotus Tony Condon 16 15 15 46 15 46.15
16 Brabham Phil Kalbfell 14 15 15 44 15 44.15
30 Porsche Al Schwartz 15 13 15 43 55 43.55
18 Lotus Dave Bantoft 15 14 14 43 35 43.35
4 BRM David Lawson 15 14 14 43 35 43.35
4 Lotus Chris Wright 15 14 13 42 90 42.90
50 D/Francis Charles Lawrence 14 13 14 41 85 41.85
17 BRM Dave Jones 13 14 14 41 65 41.65
8 BRM Mark Huber 14 14 13 41 15 41.15

Times here were super fast, even though the lap totals were down a little:



By the time we got around to a podium shot, John had left so you have to look at Barney and I :



So, adding all three rounds together gives us the following overall results:

Ranking # Car Owner Grand Total
1 14 Ferrari Dennis Samson 146.70
2 11 Honda Jay Hardy 145.90
3 6 Brabham Jim Hansen 142.95
4 12 Lotus Tony Condon 136.15
5 16 Brabham Phil Kalbfell 133.75
6 18 Lotus Dave Bantoft 129.55
7 30 Porsche Al Schwartz 128.95
8 4 Lotus Chris Wright 128.55
9 4 BRM David Lawson 127.95
10 17 BRM Dave Jones 123.15
11 50 D/Francis Charles Lawrence 120.80
12 8 BRM Mark Huber 120.40

Congrats to everyone who enteredthis event, and thank you to all for your wonderful cars to drive. We all enjoyed the experience. I will send out a link to this report so that some of the other drivers can chime in with their impressions.

For now, just one or two more photos:



This is how close some of the close finishes were, and why the cards work so well.

Racing action in Round 2:



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